Revolver Shackles

[currupt4130]

RE: Re: SM420 Transmission

i beg to differ, any decent suspension system would be able to absorb that little bit of unevenness. maybe if the rock was a foot taller and the front wheel was stuffed thered be something to your theory, but point is the revolvers need less force to open than the springs do to compress so they will almost always open first. if you have one end w/o revolvers like he does all the force is going to transfer back to the unloading tire via body roll

 

[LVRockCrawler]

RE: Re: Tire Pressure?

so... with a tire dropping into a hole, on level ground with the other 3 still in contact you'll get killer droop but in an awkward off camber twisty "mogul" type situation the revolver will droop out b/4 the other spring compresses and make for an "interesting" situation.... hmmm... dynamics are fun! i can see how that could really accelerate a "flippy" condition!

 

[88Wrangles]

RE: thanks.

But it does get that one drooping tire (or however many) down on the ground for a little more traction than if that tire was up in the air.

I'm not dissagreeing with you Corrupt...Just bring up a possitive thing about them

 

[TwistedCU]

Just buy good quality flexy springs, disco'd swaybars, maybe even the telescoping trackbar and you'll flex enough. I have seen even 4" SUA lift springs have incredible flex if you are willing to spend the $$$. RE extreme duty being a good example.

By the time you buy cheap springs then buy the revolvers, then the Z box you could've just bought top of the line springs that would have excellent otr manners as well as awesome flex.

I figure if he's got a set then why not give them a whirl and form his own opinion, but I can't see buying all that when there are so many other things you can do to modify your Jeep.

 

[88Wrangles]

RE: Re: Tire Pressure?

I have seen even 4" SUA lift springs have incredible flex if you are willing to spend the $$$.

I had Fabtech 5" SUA leaves on my YJ (they were NOT cheap considering how stiff they were), along with a 3" body lift. I took out (if I remember right) 2 leaves from each pack and then made the rest of the springs as smooth as possible.

They were VERY stiff when I first bought them. When I had finished doing all that and by the time they got broken in, I could get my 31's to touch the top of the wheel well openings (the outer body-panel part...where the fender flares would mount, but I took them off as well). And, I was still over 8" higher than an original stock YJ--they're springs are fairly under rated as far as their height.

If you're willing to do some work, you can get anything to have lots of flex.

When I went up to 33's I had to be very carefull :lol:

 

[redneckgroundhog]

RE: Clutch Rattling

So, currupt, I think I got it. It really does make sense. In this case when the front right wheel drops, the left rear becomes the counter balance. And when the left rear spring doesn't hold the left rear wheel up, neither does it hold the left rear body down. Thus allowing the body to rapidly roll front right. Wooooh Nelly!

 

[Junkpile]

RE: Re: join date

I don't think it is so much that they extend before the opposite spring compresses.....it's that they extend before the spring they are mounted to is FORCED to droop. The resistance of that spring drooping, or extending, and all the un-sprung weight attached to it counteracts the weight transfer of the opposite spring compressing. It looks to me like the right rear spring is compressing fine, it's the drivers side that isn't drooping because the revolvers haven't fully extended yet. :?

I think they are best categorized as toys. I'm not saying they don't work in certain situations, and the flex pics DO look cool.....

 

[redneckgroundhog]

RE: Re: Troubled but back in a Jeep

MY head 's hurtin'. All bein' said and done, for me, predictable GOOD... unpredictable BAD! To me it really don't matter why I guess.

 

[redrooster]

RE: Standard & reverse cut Ring & Pinion

Craig hit the nail on the head. For front applications, you should use a trac bar to keep from swaying on the road. I have only seen a few Jeeps in my area running them in the front and all the drivers said they were hard to hold on the road without the tracbar.
No modification should be necessary to run them on the rear.

 

[Craig]

I can see you getting a lot of body roll if the revolvers are coupled with the z-boxes because the z-boxes open straight down. I'm only running the revolvers without the z-boxes and and the springs flex about half way before the revolvers start to open up. This is beause in order for the revolver to open up, it doesn't just drop down, it has to swing back, it's on a hinge. It can't swing back without the spring being flexed which will pull the revovler back and open it up.

 

[currupt4130]

RE: Re: RE: college

the whole thing about keeping a tire on the ground is a load IMHO. if you have to drop you have to open those things to get the tire on the ground, your either going to be in a really crappy position and not have traction on the tire thats barely scraping the ground, or its going to be low enough and have enough force from gravity to pull you on your side. not advantageous to me...

 

[Robrt-Stephens]

Traildamage.com

Well I have never tried them personally so I'll spare you the speculation, but I will say that as easy as it is to change out a set of shackles you should give them a whirl. It's not like you can't just swap back your old shackles with ease.

By the way, you'll never get flamed on Jeepz for asking a question. good bunch of folks here and welcome to Jeepz!

Now I have a question for you... how does the Tuff Country kit ride? I see the springs seem to flex well or is that jsu the revolvers workin for ya?

Thank for the welcome here. The Tuff Country lift I have is now 13 years old and works as the day I put it on. Very well made and functional lift.

The springs flex very well with the 19x33 shocks front and the 16x26 rears and the Sway bar disconnects undone. With the Revolvers they add another 8" of flex which is great.

Tuff Country also has a super CS department that replaces anything they sell that may fail, which is rare.

Hope that helps.

Again, thank you for the welcome and this site is very comfortable with a lot of good Jeeps and posters.

 

[Robrt-Stephens]

Well, on a trip this past 3 weeks (just got in at 4AM last night) to WA and OR testing the Revolvers with many other Jeeps Marina and I met over there, running on 5+ rated trails in the Evans Creek area of the Cascades with snow and much mud and very steep inclines, shelf, rock, and off camber areas. All the Jeeps there had terrible trouble with the huge wide tires and the full time lockers which sent several of them over the bank but no roll overs. None could get up some the trail's offerings no matter how fast the tires wer spun in a futile attempt to 'power' up these places. I used VEX to pull them out or up behind me with the rear winch once VEX was up and and top each inclined ledge.

Absolutely killer fun area, Jeeps, people and trails. I have never been there and it was just plain killer cool.

VEX did good with no problems whatsoever and it was the most severe off roading my girlfriend has experienced with me and she loved it totally. The very narrow tires (9.50x15.33) and chains front and rear and with the ARBs open were the key. The stability and flex of keeping the wheels on the ground were great with the Revolvers.

The biggest thing about the Revovlers so far, and they saved the day in catastrophe, and I should have pics of this catastophe tomorrow on the 'behold' site, is that a shop that changed out a bad bearing in the right rear caused VEX to shed his right rear wheel and axle at 70 MPH on I-90 just below Snoqualimie Pass. If not for the Revolvers, VEX nor I would be here. Wild.

The Revolvers, once VEX was on three wheels and the hub dragging on the pavement, with no more brakes and gears (hubs were in free), let VEX settle down on threes and then went straight as I steered to the emergency lane to a stop.

The axle and wheel went over the bank about 200 feet but did not collide with any other traffic.

The pics are impressive.

I am not sold that Revolvers are garbage. Sorry.

So far, they are rather amazing. More on this update when the pics and pages are loaded up over on www.behold-the-rage.com

I sure love all this input--great stuff. Thank you very much all.

Robert

 

[Sparky-Watts]

RE: Farewell To the Pope

Man, that sounds like it could have been a nasty ride shedding a wheel and axle like that! Glad you're here to tell the story!

I lost a front wheel, hub, and brake assembly on a 70's era Ford pickup at 50 in a pasture back in '87. Flipped it end over end 5 or 6 times and broke my neck in two places. Didn't know I had broken it until back around '99 or so, when I started having problems using my left arm. I was young and invincible, so I never went to see a doc back then, but was pretty stiff and sore for several months afterwards. It's a wonder I wasn't paralyzed or killed, I guess.

 

[TwistedCU]

Re: RE: Re: RE: Politics, religion, and her

Great stories, I'm glad you tried those shackles for yourself and like them. There is more than one way to skin a cat I guess !